Dave Winthrop (sax)

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BANDS:

• The Mooche [1969-1970]
• Supertramp [1970-Feb 73]
• Chicken Shack [1977-1979]
• The Young Bucks
• The Bucks [1979-Jul 79]
• Secret Affair [Jul 79-1982]
• Chicken Shack [1986-1987]
• Ian Page Band [2002-?]
• Secret Affair [2002]
• Secret Affair [Jun 03] (Casual Band - 1 gig)
• Ian Page Band [2004]
• Secret Affair [Apr 06] (Casual Band - 1 gig)
• Ian Page Band [2006]
• Winthrop´s Jazz Bollocks
• Richard Strange Band
• Chicken Shack [2008]

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BIOGRAPHY:

Great sax and flute player, Dave Winthrop (nicknamed Winnie) was born on November 27th, 1948, in Camden, New Jersey, but emigrated to England when he was 8.

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THE MOOCHE

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The Mooche was a band from Chelmsford:

THE MOOCHE #?			?
Ian Pearce guitar	Dave Soars bass	Brian Tatum keyboards, vocals	Dave Winthrop sax	Jeff Dann drums

They recorded just one single in 1969 for the Pye label, ´Hot smoke and sassafras / Seen through a light´, produced by John Schroeder, but don´t know if this was made by the musicians listed above, apart from Dave. Does anybody know?

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SUPERTRAMP

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Winthrop joined Supertramp in 1970:

SUPERTRAMP #?			1970-Feb 73
Roger Hodgson vocals, guitar	Rick Davies vocals, keyboards	Frank Farrell † bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Kevin Currie drums

The band was to record their first album, but for some reason, Dave Winthrop didn´t play on it.

But he played in their 2nd album, Indelibly stamped, and some live songs can be found in the movie Extremes (although they don't appear in the soundtrack released).

In February 1973, all the members left Hodgson & Davies alone, who carried on with a new lineup.

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CHICKEN SHACK

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In 1977, Stan Webb resurrects mythical band Chicken Shack:

CHICKEN SHACK #?			1977
êBroken Glass	êBroken Glass
Stan Webb vocals, guitar	Robbie Blunt guitar, vocals	Paul Martinez bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Ed Spevock drums

They recorded an album, The creeper, with help from Tony Ashton.


After a while, Martinez left, and his replacement is Ray Knott, Spevock´s old mate in Babe Ruth:

CHICKEN SHACK #?			1977-1978
Stan Webb vocals, guitar	Robbie Blunt guitar, vocals	Ray Knott bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Ed Spevock drums

but Knott left the band very soon.

Steve York joined Chicken Shack around 1978, replacing Ray Knott:

CHICKEN SHACK #?			1978-1979
Stan Webb vocals, guitar	Robbie Blunt guitar, vocals	Steve York bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Ed Spevock drums

This lineup released a very good album in 1978, That's the way we are, before Spevock left them in 1979.

For a tour in 1979, the drum seat in Chicken Shack was filled by Louis Borenius:

CHICKEN SHACK #
Stan Webb vocals, guitar	Robbie Blunt guitar, vocals	Steve York bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Louis Borenius † drums
			The Bucksê

In 1979, all the members (except Stan Webb, of course) left the band.

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THE YOUNG BUCKS

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I still have to find proper info about Dave playing with The Young Bucks. I don´t know if it´s my mistake, but were The Bucks and The Young Bucks the same band? I know many members are the same, but can´t say it for sure. And I guess there were more lineups with Dave in the band (probably with Seb Shelton at the same time). Help, please!

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THE BUCKS

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In 1979, Dave Winthrop joins The Bucks:

THE BUCKS #?				1979-Jul 79
			êChicken Shack
Pat Rafferty vocals, keyboards	Tony Wadsworth vocals, guitar	Geoff Lincoln bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Archie Brown sax	Jeff Rich drums
			Secret Affairê

But they split after a few months, in July 1979.

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SECRET AFFAIR

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In July 1979, Secret Affair expands to a quintet when Dave Winthrop joins:

SECRET AFFAIR #2			Jul 79-1980
			êThe Bucks
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	David Cairns guitar	Dennis Smith bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Seb Shelton drums

They released two albums, Glory boys (in 1979, with help on vocals by fantastic singer Maggie Ryder) and Behind close doors (in 1980).

Their drummer left in 1980:

SECRET AFFAIR #3			1980-?
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	David Cairns guitar	Dennis Smith bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Paul Bultitude drums

But they still released a 3rd album, Business as usual, before parting ways finally in May 1982.

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CHICKEN SHACK (again)

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In 1986, Dave surprisingly rejoins Chicken Shack:

CHICKEN SHACK #?				1986-?
Stan Webb vocals, guitar	Robbie Blunt guitar, vocals	Jan Connolly bass	Dave Wilkinson † keyboards	Dave Winthrop sax	John Gunzell drums

But he had to leave after a while due to health problems.

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AND THEN...

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Dave also plays with Chicken Shack from time to time, when he is available (it seems he rejoined the band in 2008, but can´t find info). He also plays in a Bruce Springsteen tribute band, and formed his own jazz trio, called Winthrop´s Jazz Bollocks.

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SECRET AFFAIR (again)

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In June 2002, Page & Cairns reform the last lineup of Secret Affair for 3 gigs:

SECRET AFFAIR #?			Jun 02
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	David Cairns guitar	Dennis Smith bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Paul Bultitude drums

And again, in June 2003, Secret Affair reforms for a special gig to promote their new compilation, Time for action - the anthology:

SECRET AFFAIR #?			Jun 03
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	David Cairns guitar	Dennis Smith bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Paul Bultitude drums

This concert was filmed and later released on DVD, as Live @ The Scala.

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IAN PAGE AND THE AFFAIR

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Ian Page formed his own band, called Ian Page And The Affair around 1999. In 2002, he brings his past mate Dave Winthrop.

This was their lineup in 2004:

IAN PAGE BAND #?					2004
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	Jel Lee guitar	Ian Jones bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Andy Brush sax, percussion	Steve Rinaldi trombone, percussion	Bob Clarke drums

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SECRET AFFAIR (again)

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In April 2006, Page & Cairns reform Secret Affair again for a benefit gig with a couple of new players:

SECRET AFFAIR #?			Apr 06
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	David Cairns guitar	Nick Abnett bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Simon Hanson drums

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IAN PAGE AND THE AFFAIR (again)

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This was Ian Page And The Affair around 2006:

IAN PAGE BAND #?				2006
Ian Page vocals, trumpet, keyboards	Jel Lee guitar	Ian Jones bass	Dave Winthrop sax	Andy Brush sax, percussion	Bob Clarke drums

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RICHARD STRANGE BAND

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Dave Winthrop has been playing in Richard Strange Band, but can´t find info about the musicians. Can someone help, please?

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DISCOGRAPHY: (19 albums known to me - Status: Quite advanced)

ALBUMS AS A BAND MEMBER (10 credits)

• Live @ The Scala - Secret Affair ( - )


• Members: Paul Bultitude, Dave Winthrop
• Comments: Live DVD taken from a 1982 concert.
• Hot smoke and sassafras / Seen through a light (SINGLE) - The Mooche (05/1969)


• Members: Dave Winthrop
• Producer: John Schroeder
• Indelibly stamped - Supertramp (06/1971)


• Members: Kevin Currie, Rick Davies, Roger Hodgson, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Frank Farrell)
• Technical: Bob Hall
• Comments: This was Supertramp´s second album.
• The Creeper - Stan Webb´s Chicken Shack (08/1978)


• Members: Robbie Blunt, Paul Martinez, Ed Spevock, Stan Webb, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Tony Ashton)
• Guests: Jimmy Jewell
• That´s the way we are - Chicken Shack (07/1979)


• Members: Robbie Blunt, Ed Spevock, Stan Webb, Dave Winthrop, Steve York
• Glory boys - Secret Affair (11/1979)


• Members: Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
• Guests: Maggie Ryder
• Comments: CD reissue contains 2 bonus tracks.
• Behind closed doors - Secret Affair (09/1980)


• Members: Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
• Comments: The CD reissue contains 2 bonus tracks.
• The Phenomenal rise of Richard Strange - Richard Strange (1981)


• Members: Dave Winthrop
• Guests: Steve Bolton, Ross Middleton (RIP: Rebop Kwaku Baah)
• Business as usual - Secret Affair (01/1982)


• Members: Dave Winthrop
• Going, gone - Richard Strange & The Engine Room (1986)


• Members: Dave Winthrop
• Guests: Steve Bolton, Jamie Muir, Pedro Ortiz, Jim Russell

COMPILATIONS AS A BAND MEMBER (3 credits)

• Time for action - the very best of - Secret Affair ( - )


• Members: Dave Winthrop
• Time for action - the anthology - Secret Affair (12/2003)


• Members: Paul Bultitude, Jamie Crompton, Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
• Guests: Chris Gent
• Comments: 2CD compilation with lots of rarities, including tracks from their previous band, New Hearts.
• Retrospectacle - the Supertramp anthology - Supertramp (10/2005)


• Members: Bob C Benberg, Kevin Currie, Rick Davies, Mark Hart, John Anthony Helliwell, Roger Hodgson, Cliff Hugo, Scott Page, Jesse Siebenberg, Dougie Thomson, Lee R Thornburg, Carl Verheyen, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Frank Farrell)
• Guests: Richard Hewson, Dick ´Slyde´ Hyde, Nick Lane, Steve Reid, Marty Walsh, Tom Walsh, David Woodford
• Producer: David Kershenbaum
• Technical: Greg Calbi, Tom Lord-Alge, Ken Scott, Allen Sides

COLLECTIVE ALBUMS (1 credit)

• Mods Mayday ´79 - VVAA (07/1979)


• Guests: Dave Winthrop
• Comments: Collective live album.

SESSIONS (5 credits)

• Here I love you - Shusha (1980)


• Guests: Richard Bailey, John Kirkpatrick, John McKenzie, Darryl Lee Que, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Lesley Duncan)
• Rhythm collision vol 1 - Ruts DC (1982)


• Members: Vince Segs (RIP: Paul Fox)
• Guests: Dave Winthrop
• The Happiest days of your life - Paul Bevoir with The Family Way (1985)


• Guests: Paul Bultitude, Dave Winthrop
• In the blood - Londonbeat (1991)


• Guests: George Chandler, Danny Cummings, Wilf Gibson, Luis Jardim, Mark Pinder, John Turnbull, Geraint Watkins, Dave Winthrop, Gavyn Wright
• Rhythm collision remixes - Ruts DC (09/1999)


• Members: Dave Ruffy, Vince Segs (RIP: Paul Fox)
• Guests: Dave Winthrop

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QUESTIONS:

01. Did Dave play with Chicken Shack around 1970-71?

02. I need to find more info about sessions for Stray Cats and Jonathan Perkins.

03. I think the info on Supertramp is not accurate. Maybe Dave joined when David Palmer and Robert Millar were in the band. Can someone help, please?

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THANKS:

Very Special Thanks to:

Steve York: for info on Chicken Shack lineups with Dave in the 70s.

Bob Clarke: for very valuable info on Ian Page & The Affair as well as other bands by Dave.

Ross Elder: for info on Chicken Shack and Stan Webb´s Speedway.

Thanks to:

Tim Pratt: for his extensive knowledge on Chicken Shack.

John Carey: for info on Chicken Shack.

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WHAT'S NEW:

29/June/2010 - Page added to the blog.
31/October/2000 - Original page written by me (in the old site).

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RELATED MUSICIANS:

Dave Winthrop mostly worked with these musicians: (name + number of credits)
Ian Page (6)
David Cairns (5)
Dennis Smith (5)
Paul Bultitude (3)
Seb Shelton (3)
Robbie Blunt (2)
Steve Bolton (2)
John Brand (2)
Kevin Currie (2)
Rick Davies (2)

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Page created by Miguel Terol on: 31/October/2000 - Last modified on: 30/June/2010. If you want to contribute with info, please write to: molympus1@gmail.com

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