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Tuesday, 29 June 2010

Dave Winthrop (sax)


BANDS:
  • The Mooche [1969-1970]
  • Supertramp [1970-Feb 73]
  • Chicken Shack [1977-1979]
  • The Young Bucks
  • The Bucks [1979-Jul 79]
  • Secret Affair [Jul 79-1982]
  • Chicken Shack [1986-1987]
  • Ian Page Band [2002-?]
  • Secret Affair [2002]
      • Secret Affair [Jun 03] (Casual Band - 1 gig)
  • Ian Page Band [2004]
      • Secret Affair [Apr 06] (Casual Band - 1 gig)
  • Ian Page Band [2006]
  • Winthrop´s Jazz Bollocks
  • Richard Strange Band
  • Chicken Shack [2008]

BIOGRAPHY:

Great sax and flute player, Dave Winthrop (nicknamed Winnie) was born on November 27th, 1948, in Camden, New Jersey, but emigrated to England when he was 8.


THE MOOCHE


The Mooche was a band from Chelmsford:

THE MOOCHE #?
?
Ian Pearce
guitar
Dave Soars
bass
Brian Tatum
keyboards, vocals
Jeff Dann
drums

They recorded just one single in 1969 for the Pye label, ´Hot smoke and sassafras / Seen through a light´, produced by John Schroeder, but don´t know if this was made by the musicians listed above, apart from Dave. Does anybody know?

SUPERTRAMP


Winthrop joined Supertramp in 1970:

SUPERTRAMP #?
1970-Feb 73
Roger Hodgson
vocals, guitar
Rick Davies
vocals, keyboards
Frank Farrell
bass
Kevin Currie
drums

The band was to record their first album, but for some reason, Dave Winthrop didn´t play on it.

But he played in their 2nd album, Indelibly stamped, and some live songs can be found in the movie Extremes (although they don't appear in the soundtrack released).

In February 1973, all the members left Hodgson & Davies alone, who carried on with a new lineup.


CHICKEN SHACK


In 1977, Stan Webb resurrects mythical band Chicken Shack:

CHICKEN SHACK #?
1977
êBroken Glass
êBroken Glass
Stan Webb
vocals, guitar
Robbie Blunt
guitar, vocals
Paul Martinez
bass

They recorded an album, The creeper, with help from Tony Ashton.


After a while, Martinez left, and his replacement is Ray Knott, Spevock´s old mate in Babe Ruth:

CHICKEN SHACK #?
1977-1978
Stan Webb
vocals, guitar
Robbie Blunt
guitar, vocals
Ray Knott
bass

but Knott left the band very soon.

Steve York joined Chicken Shack around 1978, replacing Ray Knott:

CHICKEN SHACK #?
1978-1979
Stan Webb
vocals, guitar
Robbie Blunt
guitar, vocals
Steve York
bass

This lineup released a very good album in 1978, That's the way we are, before Spevock left them in 1979.

For a tour in 1979, the drum seat in Chicken Shack was filled by Louis Borenius:

CHICKEN SHACK #
Stan Webb
vocals, guitar
Robbie Blunt
guitar, vocals
Steve York
bass
Louis Borenius
drums
The Bucksê

In 1979, all the members (except Stan Webb, of course) left the band.


THE YOUNG BUCKS


I still have to find proper info about Dave playing with The Young Bucks. I don´t know if it´s my mistake, but were The Bucks and The Young Bucks the same band? I know many members are the same, but can´t say it for sure. And I guess there were more lineups with Dave in the band (probably with Seb Shelton at the same time). Help, please!


THE BUCKS


In 1979, Dave Winthrop joins The Bucks:

THE BUCKS #?
1979-Jul 79
êChicken Shack
Pat Rafferty
vocals, keyboards
Tony Wadsworth
vocals, guitar
Geoff Lincoln
bass
Archie Brown
sax
Jeff Rich
drums
Secret Affairê

But they split after a few months, in July 1979.


SECRET AFFAIR


In July 1979, Secret Affair expands to a quintet when Dave Winthrop joins:

SECRET AFFAIR #2
Jul 79-1980
êThe Bucks
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
David Cairns
guitar
Dennis Smith
bass
Seb Shelton
drums

They released two albums, Glory boys (in 1979, with help on vocals by fantastic singer Maggie Ryder) and Behind close doors (in 1980).

Their drummer left in 1980:

SECRET AFFAIR #3
1980-?
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
David Cairns
guitar
Dennis Smith
bass
Paul Bultitude
drums

But they still released a 3rd album, Business as usual, before parting ways finally in May 1982.


CHICKEN SHACK (again)


In 1986, Dave surprisingly rejoins Chicken Shack:

CHICKEN SHACK #?
1986-?
Stan Webb
vocals, guitar
Robbie Blunt
guitar, vocals
Jan Connolly
bass
Dave Wilkinson
keyboards
John Gunzell
drums

But he had to leave after a while due to health problems.


AND THEN...


Dave also plays with Chicken Shack from time to time, when he is available (it seems he rejoined the band in 2008, but can´t find info). He also plays in a Bruce Springsteen tribute band, and formed his own jazz trio, called Winthrop´s Jazz Bollocks.


SECRET AFFAIR (again)


In June 2002, Page & Cairns reform the last lineup of Secret Affair for 3 gigs:

SECRET AFFAIR #?
Jun 02
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
David Cairns
guitar
Dennis Smith
bass
Paul Bultitude
drums

And again, in June 2003, Secret Affair reforms for a special gig to promote their new compilation, Time for action - the anthology:

SECRET AFFAIR #?
Jun 03
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
David Cairns
guitar
Dennis Smith
bass
Paul Bultitude
drums

This concert was filmed and later released on DVD, as Live @ The Scala.


IAN PAGE AND THE AFFAIR


Ian Page formed his own band, called Ian Page And The Affair around 1999. In 2002, he brings his past mate Dave Winthrop.

This was their lineup in 2004:

IAN PAGE BAND #?
2004
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
Jel Lee
guitar
Ian Jones
bass
Andy Brush
sax, percussion
Steve Rinaldi
trombone, percussion
Bob Clarke
drums


SECRET AFFAIR (again)


In April 2006, Page & Cairns reform Secret Affair again for a benefit gig with a couple of new players:

SECRET AFFAIR #?
Apr 06
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
David Cairns
guitar
Nick Abnett
bass
Simon Hanson
drums


IAN PAGE AND THE AFFAIR (again)


This was Ian Page And The Affair around 2006:

IAN PAGE BAND #?
2006
Ian Page
vocals, trumpet, keyboards
Jel Lee
guitar
Ian Jones
bass
Andy Brush
sax, percussion
Bob Clarke
drums



RICHARD STRANGE BAND


Dave Winthrop has been playing in Richard Strange Band, but can´t find info about the musicians. Can someone help, please?

DISCOGRAPHY: (19 albums known to me - Status: Quite advanced)

ALBUMS AS A BAND MEMBER (10 credits)
  • Live @ The Scala - Secret Affair ( - )

    • Members: Paul Bultitude, Dave Winthrop
    • Comments: Live DVD taken from a 1982 concert.
  • Hot smoke and sassafras / Seen through a light (SINGLE) - The Mooche (05/1969)

  • Indelibly stamped - Supertramp (06/1971)

    • Members: Kevin Currie, Rick Davies, Roger Hodgson, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Frank Farrell)
    • Technical: Bob Hall
    • Comments: This was Supertramp´s second album.
  • The Creeper - Stan Webb´s Chicken Shack (08/1978)

    • Members: Robbie Blunt, Paul Martinez, Ed Spevock, Stan Webb, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Tony Ashton)
    • Guests: Jimmy Jewell
  • That´s the way we are - Chicken Shack (07/1979)

  • Glory boys - Secret Affair (11/1979)

    • Members: Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
    • Guests: Maggie Ryder
    • Comments: CD reissue contains 2 bonus tracks.
  • Behind closed doors - Secret Affair (09/1980)

    • Members: Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
    • Comments: The CD reissue contains 2 bonus tracks.
  • The Phenomenal rise of Richard Strange - Richard Strange (1981)

    • Members: Dave Winthrop
    • Guests: Steve Bolton, Ross Middleton (RIP: Rebop Kwaku Baah)
  • Business as usual - Secret Affair (01/1982)

  • Going, gone - Richard Strange & The Engine Room (1986)

    • Members: Dave Winthrop
    • Guests: Steve Bolton, Jamie Muir, Pedro Ortiz, Jim Russell
COMPILATIONS AS A BAND MEMBER (3 credits)
  • Time for action - the very best of - Secret Affair ( - )

  • Time for action - the anthology - Secret Affair (12/2003)

    • Members: Paul Bultitude, Jamie Crompton, Seb Shelton, Dave Winthrop
    • Guests: Chris Gent
    • Comments: 2CD compilation with lots of rarities, including tracks from their previous band, New Hearts.
  • Retrospectacle - the Supertramp anthology - Supertramp (10/2005)

    • Members: Bob C Benberg, Kevin Currie, Rick Davies, Mark Hart, John Anthony Helliwell, Roger Hodgson, Cliff Hugo, Scott Page, Jesse Siebenberg, Dougie Thomson, Lee R Thornburg, Carl Verheyen, Dave Winthrop (RIP: Frank Farrell)
    • Guests: Richard Hewson, Dick ´Slyde´ Hyde, Nick Lane, Steve Reid, Marty Walsh, Tom Walsh, David Woodford
    • Producer: David Kershenbaum
    • Technical: Greg Calbi, Tom Lord-Alge, Ken Scott, Allen Sides
COLLECTIVE ALBUMS (1 credit)
  • Mods Mayday ´79 - VVAA (07/1979)

SESSIONS (5 credits)
  • Here I love you - Shusha (1980)

  • Rhythm collision vol 1 - Ruts DC (1982)

  • The Happiest days of your life - Paul Bevoir with The Family Way (1985)

  • In the blood - Londonbeat (1991)

    • Guests: George Chandler, Danny Cummings, Wilf Gibson, Luis Jardim, Mark Pinder, John Turnbull, Geraint Watkins, Dave Winthrop, Gavyn Wright
  • Rhythm collision remixes - Ruts DC (09/1999)

    • Members: Dave Ruffy, Vince Segs (RIP: Paul Fox)
    • Guests: Dave Winthrop

QUESTIONS:

01. Did Dave play with Chicken Shack around 1970-71?

02. I need to find more info about sessions for Stray Cats and Jonathan Perkins.

03. I think the info on Supertramp is not accurate. Maybe Dave joined when David Palmer and Robert Millar were in the band. Can someone help, please?


THANKS:

Very Special Thanks to:
  • Steve York: for info on Chicken Shack lineups with Dave in the 70s.
  • Bob Clarke: for very valuable info on Ian Page & The Affair as well as other bands by Dave.
  • Ross Elder: for info on Chicken Shack and Stan Webb´s Speedway.

  • Thanks to:
  • Tim Pratt: for his extensive knowledge on Chicken Shack.
  • John Carey: for info on Chicken Shack.

  • WHAT'S NEW:

    29/June/2010 - Page added to the blog.
    31/October/2000 - Original page written by me (in the old site).

    RELATED MUSICIANS:

    Dave Winthrop mostly worked with these musicians: (name + number of credits)
    Ian Page (6)
    David Cairns (5)
    Dennis Smith (5)
    Paul Bultitude (3)
    Seb Shelton (3)
    Robbie Blunt (2)
    Steve Bolton (2)
    John Brand (2)
    Kevin Currie (2)
    Rick Davies (2)

    Page created by Miguel Terol on: 31/October/2000 - Last modified on: 30/June/2010. If you want to contribute with info, please write to: molympus1@gmail.com

    Please, note than you can check the indexes (musicians, bands, obituaries) at the top of this page.

    6 comments:

    1. Dave (Sam) Soars13 October 2010 at 23:48

      worked with Dave in the Mooche in 1969, would love to Know where he is

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    2. Dave Soars, if you see this post, please write me to my email address, and I'll try to help you. Thanks.

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    3. The Phenomenal Rise of Richard Strange: Virgin Records 1981

      Richard Strange Vocals and Guitar
      Steve Boltz Bolton Guitar
      Dave Winthrop Saxophones
      Angus McLean Guitar
      Peter O'Sullivan Bass
      Martin Griffin Drums
      James Hallawell Keyboards
      Rebop Kwaaku Bah Percussion
      James T Ford Synthesizers
      Ross Middleton Backing Vocals
      TV Smith Backing Vocals
      Rene Eyre Backing Vocals


      The first 7 names played the album in its entirety at Glastonbury 2009, accompanied by Lilybud Dearsley on Backing Vocals.

      Happy Days

      RS x

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    4. when I worked with Dave in 68/69 he had already worked with Fleetwood Mac and Chicken Shack before joining Mooche ............... Dave Soars

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    5. Hi, Dave Soars

      Thanks for posting this comment. I'd like to ask you some things about Mooche, about the single and the musicians. Could you write me by email at molympus1@gmail.com, please? Thanks anyway.

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    6. Working with Dave whilst in The Affair was a pleasure, he's a great bloke and a great player, I hope an opportunity will arise to work with him again.

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